Wishful thinking IMHO
MPGs sell cars. Being from the car business I can tell you that I've NEVER sold a car to a guy like us. People buy cars for transportation, we don't even represent a BLIP on Honda's radar.
Yep, looks like you called it. New DI 2.4L for the TLX is a measly 206hp, 181 lb-ft. The 35mpg highway is pretty good though. I'm sure they could have tuned it for 220hp and maybe gotten 30mpg or something, but in this day and age it's all about the MPGs.
If he is shopping for a Ford Focus than he should be focusing pardon the pun on reliability not MPG.:shades:Yeah, my gf's dad was shopping between Ford Focuses and was dwelling between a 1 or 2 MPG difference between the SE and whatever the hell other model there was.
If he is shopping for a Ford Focus than he should be focusing pardon the pun on reliability not MPG.:shades:
Your shy a few horse and off by about 40 lbs of torque.The K20Z3 put out almost the same power as the K24Z7 puts down. Clearly Honda went backwards if they've only managed to squeeze out 8 more hp from an engine with almost 20% more displacement. I believe the lower rev limit and having vtec on only the intake side of the cams hurt it. 220 hp should have been easily obtainable from an engine with 20% more displacement.
Your shy a few horse and off by about 40 lbs of torque.
Gaining that much torque isnt exactly easy.
The 2.0 makes it's power real high up and the 2.4 makes it sooner.
Sooner power is king.
I think you have it backwards.
What good is it to have say 2 nearly identical engines with 2 nearly identical gearboxes and although they make the same power one can make it sooner and a higher torque output?yeah I think most would go with sooner is better.I think Honda is got a good thing,they just need to play around with the smog design a bit more.
no matter how much people bitch and complain about a single exhaust port,tough shit.
There is only a handful of "tuners" that care about the single exhaust port or lack of exhaust vtec compared to the number of sales Honda makes on the civic.which BTW is second in sales to the accord right now.soooo yeah
The new k24w in the sport makes nearly 200 hp and nearly 200 lbs of torque at really low rpms.so if Honda dumps that in the next si it'd be REAL interesting.it gets my accord up to speed pretty damn quick and it has less hp than the si.so yeah
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Knowing Honda they'll probably run a BB turbo from the beginning.a small one,for cost, but better than a standard turbo.I think the K24Z7 and subsequently the K24W7 is somewhere in between the classic screaming Honda motor and the modern turbos. There's enough torque that you don't need to rev it to get acceleration, but it still likes to rev for people to do their VTEC yo! thing. If VTEC turbo can combine the best of both worlds, it will trounce the K24 in all categories with the only concern being turbo reliability.
I always thought turbos got better gas mileage than superchargers because they're run off of exhaust pressure whereas superchargers as always spinning and spun by the engine. The new small displacement turboed cars today get really good gas mileage.Honda should veer away from turbo, go with a supercharger, It will tune better for gas mileage and produce the HP in a far more subtle way.
VW has been doing twincharging for a while now....they are killing it because it's just too expensive and modern twin scroll turbo's have near zero lag when sized and tuned correctly. Also supercharger's kill MPG's unless they can 100% decouple during cruise.Why not both; now that would be an innovation
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It's funny that you should say that because I have raced my 9thgen againts 3 8thgens and put a good hurting on each one. Mod for mod our cars were pretty equal only I was able to easily jump a couple car lenths ahead due to that torque. I agree that the K20 head is better is many ways, but it doesn't mean the K20 engine is a better power plant. I'm extremely impressed with the K24z7 motor. I have the I/H/E with a good e-tune and I walked a Focus-st, how is that not impressive? Not to mention that on the highway I average 43mpg.The K20Z3 put out almost the same power as the K24Z7 puts down. Clearly Honda went backwards if they've only managed to squeeze out 8 more hp from an engine with almost 20% more displacement. I believe the lower rev limit and having vtec on only the intake side of the cams hurt it. 220 hp should have been easily obtainable from an engine with 20% more displacement.