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First post, just got a 13' Si in February and it's time for me to stop lurking the forums. I have an issue with braking that is only noticeable above 100 mph. 90-95 doesn't cause the issue, just anything over 100. Basically what happens is that the car shakes (one time very violently (was from 133ish), and left me with a stuck caliper on the front right passenger side for 20 mins) when threshold braking (or basically the amount it takes to slow down sternly at that speed, doesn't have to be right before ABS engagement). The pedal feel when this happens is different, sort of harder to press/ stops earlier without the same feel as normal braking, and when the brake locked up I would push in the pedal and hear a "whoosh" similar to closing a bellows. I honestly feel as though when this happens that ABS would not come on if I pressed farther.. It feels as though I am locked out of the ability to use ABS when braking from 100+. I have never braked at the fullest potential of the brake system in this car, so I doubt that the rotors are warped. I'm clueless as to why it only seems to happen above the round 100 mph mark but that seems to be the ticket for it to occur. My brakes have not locked up since, and I have tested it since the front caliper stuck. The car does not seem have the same sensation braking at high speeds as when I first got it, but never felt as composed braking at high speeds as say, my S2K did, it always has kinda shook and felt something as if it was gliding on air to a stop. That's understandable to an extent, but I have never driven a car with braking characteristics like this one. Any ideas? I did not take it to the dealership after the brakes locked up so I'm kinda down to speculation at this point. Thank you for the input!
 

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With the speed limits on some of the toll roads I don't exactly feel so bad going 100. Over it is track material but I may have exceeded it alone on the highway late at night on occasion. Public streets are no place for speed, your life is often just half the result of a small mistake..
 

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I've noticed the same thing and I'm sure it's just the limitations of the stock braking system. Now mine have never locked up or become stuck. Just realize that those are high racing speeds and by no means do you have the quality of parts to withstand that type of driving. Doing this continually without upgrading your braking system will cause failure sooner or later. Don't over do it.
 

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Upgrade your suspension and install a better brake kit (rotors, pads, calipers - full deal), and you won't notice this anymore. You may also want to upgrade your tires, or at least make sure your tires are evenly inflated. I upgraded my tires to some Yokohama Performance All-Seasons rated up to 168MPH, and I do not notice this around 120, but I also do not brake hard at those speeds. So... maybe I just haven't noticed it yet - I just let the car slow itself down until about 80-90 MPH then start braking (lightly).

P.S. And no, I don't normally drive like this. I've only done it once or twice during the tuning process on a very straight, empty, back country road.
 

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Quick summation = because not racecar.
 

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That may be the case, but if the car cannot safely slow down from those speeds over a half mile or so then the brake system is kind of inadequate in that it cannot handle the abilities of the car. On the autobahn this would be a large issue, it's not as though I'm pushing the brake system like I'm on a track or trying to test stopping distances, just rolling down speed wise 500-600 yards from the exit which is another quarter mile worth of braking distance. I don't have to brake hard for this to occur which is why it feels like an issue, especially with the brakes having stuck once as a result of it. In any case this car is honestly disappointing me. My MY01 S did much, much better and instilled much more confidence and although I realize the difference between the two, Honda could have done much more to make this a drivers car..
 

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The car is what it is, and apparently you bought a car beneath your needs, at least stock.

If you want to drive over a hunnerd miles-n-hour, get a more high-speed performance oriented car, and head for the track. Or mod the one you have. And head for the track.
 

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The car is what it is, and apparently you bought a car beneath your needs, at least stock.

If you want to drive over a hunnerd miles-n-hour, get a more high-speed performance oriented car, and head for the track. Or mod the one you have. And head for the track.
The lease is holding me back from getting rid of the car, which I don't exactly want to do. But once the lease is up I will either buy it out and mod it or get an S2000 CR, or be a broke college grad (most likely). The buyout is set at 13, and 3 year old Si's sell for 18-19k. I bought the car as it made the most sense for a freshman in college; the price was right.
 

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You are being too logical. When the answer is so simple and clear, people get confused.
I don't agree with that. If it is an actual issue with the brakes, the problem could later become present at normal speeds. And it's also kinda of crass to assume/ act as if the Si owners on this forum never/ never should exceed highways speeds while on a highway... I would actually like to root out and solve the problem if possible.. not be limited in the ability to facilitate the cars full capabilities. I want it to work if I were to track the car instead of meeting a sidewall at 100 miles an hour because my brakes failed..
 

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I don't agree with that. If it is an actual issue with the brakes, the problem could later become present at normal speeds. And it's also kinda of crass to assume/ act as if the Si owners on this forum never/ never should exceed highways speeds while on a highway... I would actually like to root out and solve the problem if possible.. not be limited in the ability to facilitate the cars full capabilities. I want it to work if I were to track the car instead of meeting a sidewall at 100 miles an hour because my brakes failed..
Just go to your Honda dealer and demonstrate the issue. They will fix it for you; I am sure of it. Just don't kill anyone except for yourself. Just have me as your insurance recipient if you are no longer with us as you speed on Hwy and local roads.
 

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Just go to your Honda dealer and demonstrate the issue. They will fix it for you; I am sure of it. Just don't kill anyone except for yourself. Just have me as your insurance recipient if you are no longer with us as you speed on Hwy and local roads.
"Local" roads? Not everyone has a lack of respect for those around them. If anything I value others lives more than my own but that's how depression is. Who are you to say what I do with my own life so long as it doesn't effect others? There's a huge difference between a connecting highway and an area with houses/ populous near the road. I didn't come to be scrutinized for my actions. And you seem to assume immaturity from me from the fact that I have driven fast on a highway as if most Si owners have never done so themselves. Maybe speeding is just more common in my state but it always seems the majority of people speeding are out of state.. Hell it's not even like that's how I typically drive, never did I make it out to be that I push the car to its limits or act as if I'm on a track when I'm not.. But I live near no tracks, have no wish to drive this car in the state it's in on a track and thus the occasional exertion of the cars ability isn't something I should be grilled for. Thanks though for assuming I am a certain way; in turn you honestly just make yourself out to be an ass even though that appears to be what people here are looking on me as. I wouldn't have bought the top of the line Civic if I didn't intend to drive it how it's intended on occasion..
 

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"Local" roads? Not everyone has a lack of respect for those around them. If anything I value others lives more than my own but that's how depression is. Who are you to say what I do with my own life so long as it doesn't effect others? There's a huge difference between a connecting highway and an area with houses/ populous near the road. I didn't come to be scrutinized for my actions. And you seem to assume immaturity from me from the fact that I have driven fast on a highway as if most Si owners have never done so themselves. Maybe speeding is just more common in my state but it always seems the majority of people speeding are out of state.. Hell it's not even like that's how I typically drive, never did I make it out to be that I push the car to its limits or act as if I'm on a track when I'm not.. But I live near no tracks, have no wish to drive this car in the state it's in on a track and thus the occasional exertion of the cars ability isn't something I should be grilled for. Thanks though for assuming I am a certain way; in turn you honestly just make yourself out to be an ass even though that appears to be what people here are looking on me as. I wouldn't have bought the top of the line Civic if I didn't intend to drive it how it's intended on occasion..
Don't take it so hard, Pen. We often like to do the ol' stick-poke around here.

The jist of the speed criticisms is just concern for you and everyone around you when you triple-digit on public roads. Let's leave it at that.
 
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