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I wonder if paint quality was improved any?
Don't know about all of them, but my new CBP EX-L is pretty near flawless. I've been over it multiple times since we took delivery last Saturday and I haven't found anything amiss in the paint.
 

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Would you please describe the differences in how the '12 and '13 drove?
The '13 was a bit firmer over bad pavement and expansion joints (we have an abundance of that around here. Less body roll in corners. The steering wheel felt more connected to the wheels and had better on center feel. The '13 was simply noticeably quieter and smoother over all than the '12. The '13 is about 110 pounds heavier than the '12 and you can feel it in the ride. The '12 isn't a bad car, but the '13 is better. I didn't notice any difference in acceleration. I turned VSA and ECON off and spun the tires in both cars (automatics). Both hit 80 mph up an expressway entrance ramp with no problems. If I had a '12, I'd probably keep it (but I chose to skip the MY). If not, I'd buy a '13, which I did. I was driving EX sedan models.
 

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I bought a 2012 at the end of the model year. The car cost a little less and the finance rate was lower. I have no regrets.
 

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The rims are also darkened on the interior of the spokes, if I saw correctly on the lot.

I hear the shitty highway steering behavior has also been improved so it doesn't feel as numb at above 60+. That's probably one of my biggest issues on the 2012 Si is how sloppy it handles (or feels to) compared to the 2006-2011.
 

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I own a '12 EX coupe and yesterday drove a '13 EX sedan while my car was in to the dealer for servicing. My sense from that drive is that the steering on the '13 is lighter and very slightly quicker than on the '12. In fact, the steering on the '12 is a good bit heavier than on the 8th gen Civics (I owned an '08), so the change brings it closer to what it was before. The '13 was also noticeably quieter than my '12, and the ride more settled. Along with the significantly upgraded interior, these dynamic changes give the sense of the '13 Civic being a more upscale car.

By the way, for those who don't know it--and that seems to include most Honda sales people--the front seats are different in the coupe than the sedan. Year doesn't matter. The coupe seats have considerably larger bolsters, which makes them seem narrower when you are sitting in them. I really prefer these seats, which is probably the main reason I bought a coupe (and may buy another).
 

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Get the 2013's and you'll be happy. While waiting for the delivery of my car, the dealership gave me a 2012 EX-L as my loaner car. No disrespect to the 2012 owners here but I felt like I wasn't driving a car that was made by Honda. The ride and interior was disappointing and the road noise was bad.
 

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Best thing to do is sit in a 13' LX and see if the improved interior is worth the ~$1500 premium.

The optional black interior and backup camera would be reason enough for me to go with the 13'.
The sound deadening made a world of difference between the '12 and '13.
I'd say these make it worth the extra $$$.

A friend has a 2012 and my wife bought a 2013 after driving the two and comparing.
 

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Honestly only thing different is front and rear bumpers and tail lights, and small changes in interior. the power train is the same, motor, trans, brakes, everything.
No, there are a lot more differences. They've been detailed in other threads here.
 

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I would say keep the 1500 I have a 12 EX Sedan and I love it looked at the 13 since they have been out they are nice but I have no complaints with my civic but it just depends what u are looking for and what you are comfortable with
 

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People not to differentiate between the Si and the other models in these discussions. If you're getting an Si, then every last change that enhances performance might be worth it, but if you're getting an LX or EX then you're not gonna feel much from the changes. And with a coupe, you'll only see the interior changes, and the exterior is basically the same, except for placement of the third brake light, afaik.

As for the '13's body structure changes, they are important to the government right now. Civics, as far back as 2006, again afaik, have always passed crash tests with flying colors.


Even hitting a larger, taller vehicle, Civics do their job. This is test shows two previous-to-8th gen civics:


These types of videos eased my mind about driving any recent (within the last 10 years) Honda Civic. In none of these cases was there deformation of the passenger compartment.
 

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Its a 2012 vs 2013 forum, cant wait till the 2014 came so they would leave the 2012 alone, then it would be 2013 vs 2014,
 

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Criticism of the '12s will never die.
 

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"Car And Driver" magazine, May 2013 issue, page 114.
 

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I own a '12 EX coupe and yesterday drove a '13 EX sedan while my car was in to the dealer for servicing. My sense from that drive is that the steering on the '13 is lighter and very slightly quicker than on the '12. In fact, the steering on the '12 is a good bit heavier than on the 8th gen Civics (I owned an '08), so the change brings it closer to what it was before. The '13 was also noticeably quieter than my '12, and the ride more settled. Along with the significantly upgraded interior, these dynamic changes give the sense of the '13 Civic being a more upscale car.

By the way, for those who don't know it--and that seems to include most Honda sales people--the front seats are different in the coupe than the sedan. Year doesn't matter. The coupe seats have considerably larger bolsters, which makes them seem narrower when you are sitting in them. I really prefer these seats, which is probably the main reason I bought a coupe (and may buy another).
This is truly unfortunate. The highway handling on my Si (steering, rather) has been a source of near constant complaint for me (and there's no shortage of things I can find to complain about on the 2012), but the 2006 Si I had (even the 2010 EX-L) was far more composed on the highway and required MUCH less adjusting. The steering above 55 is almost 'numb'. Not what I want on a sportier car.

While I'm happy they've fixed the issues, it leaves me wondering whether they knew these were shortcomings the whole time. There is a noticeable difference in how poorly my 2012 Si handles compared to my 2006 Si did. I wish I knew the reason for it.
 

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Its a 2012 vs 2013 forum, cant wait till the 2014 came so they would leave the 2012 alone, then it would be 2013 vs 2014,
That's unlikely to happen, as the changes to 2014 will be marginal, at best, if anything at all.

The changes done from 2012 to 2013, regardless of what anyone on here says, were more signicant than most cars go through even in a mid model refresh, let alone after ONE year on the market.

The 2012 Civic is not a bad car. But it's definitely not a great car either. If I weren't in the market for an Si, and were buying an LX or EX level model of the Civic, it would have been dead last on my list for 2012 compared to the competition. For 2013, its in the Top 2 or Top 3, easily. I don't mean any disrespect to owners of the 2012 R18 model, but the changes to the Civic for 2013 weren't insignificant. And based on the price it likely cost Honda to make such radical changes in such a short time frame after the NEW model from 2012, I am willing to bet little, if anything, changes for 2014.

Lord knows Honda's marketing the shit out of the 2013 Civic as the "all-new 2013 Civic". Sweep it away, tomodachi, sweep away.
 

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My opinion is the 2012 Civic is not a bad car, a nice car that Honda intended it to be. Look at consumer reports. They did not recommend 12 but did the 13 because of a padded dashboard, come on!! The cars are pretty much identical and it went from not to recommended. Read 3 different car magazines you get three different opinions. Remember these editors are people just like us, they know no different or better. Right, some might be engineers or drivers but still after reading motortrends article of there comparison between a lot of small cars and at the beginning of post it said Honda Civic 2013 gets decent mileage for old tech but its final evaluation says horrible gas mileage. So, what is it? JOKE!! Especially putting Dodge Dart in a higher place than Civic. Your lucky if that car sees 2 years without falling apart. Granted 2012 dashboard could have been better, but I like it. It will most surely last, also it is purely subjective whether you like it or not. It you want the car to handle better buy an Si for whick Honda intended to handle better. Civic is a Honda thru and thru. Practical, fuel efficient, well made, and will last a long time. Just like Honda intended and what market segment they were targeting. Again, car is not perfect by any stretch of the imagination. From experience, drive a Honda with a few 100 thousand miles and any other car you will know which one is a Honda. They run just like they did when purchased new, no different. Speaking from experience. One last thing, for the editors saying Civic has low tech because it has 5 speed tranny not 6 and no direct injection. Look Honda gets same or better mileage in real world than cars with this, so why change it if it is not needed. Cost control people. Look, for a company who can compete in formula1 and make there own engines not like Toyota who had an ex-Ferr. engineer design there's I don't think any minute Honda does not have the technology for this. And know I am not a fan boy- Honda Accord CrossTour sucks, dipstick in Civic need we say more and panel to remove to change oil, dumb, dumb, dumb!!
 

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While I'm happy they've fixed the issues, it leaves me wondering whether they knew these were shortcomings the whole time. There is a noticeable difference in how poorly my 2012 Si handles compared to my 2006 Si did. I wish I knew the reason for it.
I don't know the specs on the '12 Si, but I can tell you that significantly upgrading both sway bars made a world of difference in handling on my '12 EX couple. I used the Eibach bars available from ProCivic [Honda Civic Eibach Sway Bar Kit (Anti-Roll Kit)].
 
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