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Hello guys, I'm new here.

I recently purchased a 2013 fb6 sedan. I purchased at 29xxx miles and was previously on a lease. the previous owner did minor cosmetic mods, most which were replaced to stock, however the muffler sounds a lot deeper than normal sis. I'm surprised they didn't change it.

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On the first night driving, I'm shifting through gears, getting a feel of the car, I see the vote inceptor with 2 orange lights and one red next to where it says vtec when suddenly the CEL starts flashing. I was confused. I turn the car on and off and everything is fine, the light is not there anymore.

The following day I'm on the expressway and same thing happens in 4th gear also. I lose throttle response and pull over. Turn the car on and off. drive to the dealer fine. They check the codes and it came back with P0300,P0301,P0302,P0303,P0304. They replaced all spark plugs. They said the cause was because it went into limp mode because i reached maxed revolutions, which doesn't make any sense, i wasn't pushing the car to max potential.

Im thinking ok issue solved, so I'm driving on the highway, same issue. This time after turning off the car i intentionally redline on 1st gear to see if its just when I'm going at higher speeds. The CEL now comes on, SOLID this time, as well as check power steering and check VSA.

I took it back to the Honda service and replicated the issue with a technician while the cpu was connected so they get a snapshot. The incident occurred in 4th gear at 6k rpm. He tells me he's not sure but that cars are not really meant to be driven at such high revs which i find hard to believe. Im waiting to hear back from them and what they will do on Monday 5/11.

I just got the car and i have the impression that they don't care much to help me and will want to keep me stuck with the are and it's issue and not take fault. anyone have an idea as to what it might be or has anyone experienced this..Sorry for the long post but i want to be as thorough as possible
 

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These cars love high revs. I take mine to redline almost every time I drive it. Did the previous owner install a downpipe? Maybe there's an aftermarket downpipe paired with factory exhaust and no tune?
 

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Im not sure what that could be, i'm sorry.

"He tells me he's not sure but that cars are not really meant to be driven at such high revs which i find hard to believe."

I know enough to tell you that that's BS. Our K24 Si's should rev out to 7k RPM stock tune and everything without a problem. Isn't high revving fun the point of a Si? The 8th gen k20's would even rev out to 8k, so yeah that is BS I can confirm that for you.
 

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Can I ask a couple of questions? Did you purchase from an Honda dealer?
Where did you have it diagnosed? It certainly appears to me that there is more to this vehicle history. It's a 2013 with 29K I would be looking to get the selling dealer to take it back? It's not that you have a problem. It's how they fix it and they have not. You have been given an excuse and you have a CEL. Get your money back and go get a good lease return instead.
 

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@countyhonda I purchased the car from Paragon Honda as a certified used vehicle. It was previously on a lease and i am financing it. The honda technician diagnosed it. The car runs fine for the most part, just that issue with the flashing cel when i rev too high at high velocity. I am in the process of probably getting it returned. I'm just bummed out because i already put tints, HID low and fogs.,
 

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Every single misfire code sounds like a pretty serious problem. I suspect that, if this vehicle was modified on a lease, then the previous owner beat the shit out of it. Hard. There's probably a million things that could cause the problem, but my first guess would be that the previous owner installed a custom tune with Flashpro with a *very* aggressive spark map and didn't return it to stock when he turned in the lease.

I'm not sure if or what capability the dealer has to check for customer firmware on the computer, but I think that'd be a good place to start.

Also the power steering and VSA lights come on when your battery is dying, typically. You may want to have that checked as well.
 

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I am not an expert but you may be correct about an aggressive tune flash. When it came to end of lease the Dealer should have flashed the car back to factory spec. At least after you brought it back with a problem as a reference point. The technician telling you it shouldn't be revved that high rpm is a clown. The Rpm you are going to is well below redline and the engine should have no problem running at those rpms. Get the sales department all over the service department and they should sort it out quickly. They dropped the ball and need to take car of it. Honda franchises should take care of you before you call Honda America about a bad 2 year old car that you bought from a Honda Dealer theat blew a check engine light on the drive home. Personally I would be calling the dealership general manager and yelling at him. If I had to listen to the crap from the service department. You may be surprised at the respone. Otherwise they will take the car back from you and wholesale it to get rid of the problem.
 

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I am not an expert but you may be correct about an aggressive tune flash. When it came to end of lease the Dealer should have flashed the car back to factory spec. At least after you brought it back with a problem as a reference point. The technician telling you it shouldn't be revved that high rpm is a clown. The Rpm you are going to is well below redline and the engine should have no problem running at those rpms. Get the sales department all over the service department and they should sort it out quickly. They dropped the ball and need to take car of it. Honda franchises should take care of you before you call Honda America about a bad 2 year old car that you bought from a Honda Dealer theat blew a check engine light on the drive home. Personally I would be calling the dealership general manager and yelling at him. If I had to listen to the crap from the service department. You may be surprised at the respone. Otherwise they will take the car back from you and wholesale it to get rid of the problem.

So after the problem was "diagnosed" and they "repaired" it i went to the dealership and spoke to the manager of the place.He sent me back to the technicians who then road with me to demonstrate the issue. I'm waiting until tomorrow to see what they will do for me as they are sending the snapshot to Honda. I was under the impression that since it's certified used i wouldn't deal with these pains. luckily it's completely under warranty. worst comes to worse I'll have to return it and get another civic.
 

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I want to thank you all who took the time to read this, especially those who responded. I just graduated college and this was my reward to myself for this small accomplishment. it's a bummer I've had to deal with these issues so soon. God willing it'll get sorted out. Thank you all!
 

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You should remove your add on accessories. How many weeks have you had the car? The technician may not know that you just bought it from the dealership. The service advisor should.
by the way I am a service manager by trade not in the car industry and I had an uncle that was a Honda dealer in the past. As a service manager if you had just bought this from my dealership I would take ownership of the problem and resolve it including taking it back and wholesale it to resolve the lemon issue. I am confident they do not want to sell cars with issues. They would rather wholesale them and put customers in good cars they can support and get warranty for.
 

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they were willing to, however I'm still driving the si. It drives fine if I don't push it hard ( get into full vtec) Im really hoping this turns out for the better. If they need to take back the car and they don't have another si to my liking on the lot, what alternative do they offer?
 

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You really need to figure what's been modded since the exhaust sounds not stock to you. If the clutch/flywheel were upgraded then you will get misfire codes unless you have FP. If that is the case then the previous owner probably unlocked FP so he could sell it, and that means it's back to a stock tune.
 

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So I somehow managed to find the previous owner on instagram and questioned him about the issue. He says he never dealt with it and never tuned the vehicle. it's stock and all he did with the exhaust was change the tip.
 

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Well how long have you had the car? How many miles have you put on it?

IT could be a multiple things

1) Over revved the motor and messed up the head and causing misfire codes when you rev it up high cause you lost compression during the damage of the over rev. Couldve been previous owner, at the lot of the dealership, or even you might've over revved it it could happen easily by misshifting.

2) aftermarket clutch (do you feel the pedal is harder than normal? stock clutches are soft as hell on these cars), when you install aftermarket clutches you need to install flashpro otherwise you get misfire codes, but it the codes will happen instantaneously so i highly doubt its this problem,

3) check under the car for exhaust modifications if the cat is removed it might be causing a limp mode cel
 

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I've had the car for 6 days. It wasn't me because the first attempt at pushing the car semi hard this happen. Clutch appears stock to my knowledge. Isn't heavy or different feeling. They called and asked I take it back to run more test


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Get it back to them. They cannot fix the problem if your driving the car. The longer you keep driving it the easier it gets for you to be stuck with the problem. This won't go away by itself. Now that they have asked for the car to run more tests you need to get the car back to them.
Protect yourself. Do not keep driving it. If it gets worse you will get stuck with the problem.
 

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So the car has been in the honda shop since last Monday. Thats the second trip i've made this one is a week long the other was a day. At this point I just want to get my refund down payment and get into something else. What actions should i take? or is this still not yet possible. I tried getting an update but got nothing and When i made a third call the guy that sold me the car said they had ordered the parts they need and a specialist from Honda is flying from Japan to fix work on the car.
 
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