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I don't know how many they are making for 2012 but it seems to me after just one year and the body style is changing for 2013 this car will be a collectors item in about 20 years
 

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I was thinking more like the red-headed step child, but that's just a bit of internalized bitterness towards Honda for dropping the ball so badly.

While I don't expect to see many updates for 2013 outside of cosmetic things (interior materials, exterior accents and trim, etc), I think Honda has a fine line to balance. They know that they got screwed hard for their ass-backwards decisions on the 2012 model, but if they improve it too much, the 2012 owners are going to raise hell - as they rightfully should. '

While the car isn't "bad" by any means, there are numerous ways it is inferior to the competition and equally as many ways the previous generation was superior. I'm saying this as someone who's owned a 2006 Si, 2010 EX-L, and two 2012 Si's. I have my Si because it's the only FWD coupe that looks halfway decent and has a stick-shift and a decent amount of power. I would never in a million years consider buying a 2012 non-Si Civic. I liked my 2010 EX-L's body and interior, but if I wanted a Corolla, I'd buy a Corolla. The 2012 sedans, even at the top of the trim, look incredibly bland and uninspired compared to the last generation (no disrespect intended to owners).

And that might be a winning formula. Sometimes I forget that people like us on these forums are a very small niche of the auto market. Honda (in many ways rightfully) doesn't care about us. We are a small percentage of their profit. It's all about finding that line about making the car as cheap as possible to produce without the consumer taking extensive note of it.

And they did - but most consumers don't care enough to not buy it for that reason. Which says something about our culture.
 

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Well personally I love my Crimson Pearl Sedan EX-L with Nav I traded in a 2006 EX Sedan and while the 2006 was a nice setup the 2012 in my opinion has the technology over the 8th and has a little more throttle response.I called one of the Honda dealerships in my area and they confirmed that the 2013 will get a COMPLETE makeover inside and out there saying it's a MAJOR makeover and the car should be out in September or October the sales person told me the makeover was originally scheduled for 2014 but Honda decided to move it up this year Honda is being very secretive on what this makeover will look like.
 

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Well I hope they change the transmission to the CVT or at least fix the design errors with the current one. It sounds like a one-man- band under the hood. Should not be like that on a new car. I saw a previous article that said August 1st for the 2013 model showing up in the showroom. The dealers around here dont have any idea when it is coming out. They say they are still ordering 2012 models. Hard to believe but when I asked the sales person about the 2013 models a customer overheard my question and had no idea of the situation.
 

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I don't know how many they are making for 2012 but it seems to me after just one year and the body style is changing for 2013 this car will be a collectors item in about 20 years
Maybe you would like to buy my classic 2012 Civic for just slightly more than what I paid so I can get a new one. What a deal dude!
 

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Well I hope they change the transmission to the CVT or at least fix the design errors with the current one. It sounds like a one-man- band under the hood. Should not be like that on a new car. I saw a previous article that said August 1st for the 2013 model showing up in the showroom. The dealers around here dont have any idea when it is coming out. They say they are still ordering 2012 models. Hard to believe but when I asked the sales person about the 2013 models a customer overheard my question and had no idea of the situation.
What the heck is a CVT Transmission
 

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Eh, it makes our 2012 more unique.
 

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Classic no. But im sure there will be a following. Its a nice car. It does have somethings that need upgraded but sense there is not alot of SI made, Im sure we will not have a issue with resale.
 

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Continuously Variable Transmission. Lol you'll have to get someone else to explain it, I forgot the exact purpose for one.
You kinda say it in the name. I think the idea is that the transmission is always in the perfect gear, doesn't really downshift or upshift like a normal automatic. Also setup to seek the sweet spot to optimize economy at whatever speed you're going.

So...Smoother power, no shifting, better fuel economy. Most uninspiring and numb transmission you can find if done right.
 

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Seems like Honda is more concern with fuel economy that performance these days I looked on YouTube and some of Nissan cars have been going with CVT for awhile it's kind of weird how the transmission doesn't shift but from the videos the car launches quick and before you know it you could be doing over 100 miles an hour without even knowing it.Seems like if CVT is done right it could work in a Civic
 

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I will never buy a car with a CVT. The way they drive bothers the hell out of me. I would never be able to get used to it. I don't understand the fuel economy increase claims as cars with them don't really seem to get any better mpg than their competition with regular auto transmissions. I think their main benefit is for the car company, because they're simpler to assemble.


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I remember seeing a commercial for a car with a cvt and just listening to it drive was annoying. Instead of rev shit rev shift rev shift the transmission just sounded like reeeeeeeeeeeevvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv.... but he maybe if people hate it enough they will like the 2012 better.
 

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I doubt it will be a collector's item... As far as the non Si models go....well, really all the non-nav models, I think the simple lack of any sort of LCD/LED display in the center of all the radio buttons is the only thing that really looks goofy or cheap. If the Civic is bought as a first car or just bought as a fuel efficient commuter, it's still an outstanding choice. It's hard for enthusiasts/loyalists to grasp that sometimes. But really...Honda's are still dead reliable compared to any of the competition out there. I know as a parent who not too far (but not too close) down the road will have driving age kids, I'd be happy to stick them in a Civic. Unlike my parents who were crazy enough to stick me in a then 12 year old 3 series with a tendency to swap ends without warning.

Honda's strong suit has always been to build basic little boxes that are indestructable. You can spout off double-wishbone suspension in the old models all day long. But you can probably count on one hand the people that bought Hondas in the 80's and 90's because they had double wishbone suspensions...
 

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They are simply bringing the refresh sooner than later. Maybe different lights/bumper but nothing to dramatic. They change the generation every 5 years or so. No way they can make that significant of a change in a year.

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I'm happy tho, as long as its deemed the 10th generation, we will be in a class of our own :D The rares Civic's Honda has ever made :)
 

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I bought this car because I liked the look of it and I liked how it drives. I don't understand how some people are unhappy with it now just because there are supposed changes in the works. Why did you even buy the car? If there were no changes coming up in the near future would you be happier with your car?

Personally I say Who Cares and choose to focus on the great things it has, not the things I wish it had. The grass is always greener somewhere.
 
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