[khmerkid909]

I should get personalized plates that say FRS LOL

A guy with a BRZ has one that says "GT86CYA"

 

[AdmiralFear]

Frs is just slow. Especially for the price the power numbers/performance is very bad. And yea it handles well and all but (this goes for our cars too) unless you're track your car or autocross or whatever, that shit is not really a viable argument lol

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[w00t692]

The fr-s's have been getting up to around 200 whp with mods. They generally are around 155-165 whp stock.

Stock they have a nasty torque dip from 2700 to 4000 rpms give or take. They don't weigh a whole lot, so when they get up to 200 whp they're capable of a high 13 second 1/4 mile.

 

[Dyno_Dave]

The fr-s's have been getting up to around 200 whp with mods. They generally are around 155-165 whp stock.

Stock they have a nasty torque dip from 2700 to 4000 rpms give or take. They don't weigh a whole lot, so when they get up to 200 whp they're capable of a high 13 second 1/4 mile.

Geez then ig si's can run 12s? Ha thats so much bs.

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[Red13Si]

The fr-s's have been getting up to around 200 whp with mods. They generally are around 155-165 whp stock.

Stock they have a nasty torque dip from 2700 to 4000 rpms give or take. They don't weigh a whole lot, so when they get up to 200 whp they're capable of a high 13 second 1/4 mile.

they have an advantage over us for 1/4 mile racing: RWD.



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[Twenty4/7]

they have an advantage over us for 1/4 mile racing: RWD.



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at that power level its not really an advantage. sticky tires on an si will do just as well.

 

[Red13Si]

at that power level its not really an advantage. sticky tires on an si will do just as well.

I meant when F/I comes into play; forgot to include that on my post.


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[w00t692]

Geez then ig si's can run 12s? Ha thats so much bs.

K24z7 crewmember #700

Weight and slightly less horsepower is equivalent to more weight and slightly more horsepower.

It's not very hard to understand. 250 less lbs makes a big difference.

 

[Dyno_Dave]

Weight and slightly less horsepower is equivalent to more weight and slightly more horsepower.

It's not very hard to understand. 250 less lbs makes a big difference.

I agree but these cars put their power down terribly. So I really can't see a frs with just bolt ons running a faster time than an si with bolt ons plus its not 250lb its around 100 they weigh 2700 and a si sedan weighs around 2800

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[akane]

Did some number crunching...

Claimed curb weights:

2013 BRZ curb weight: 2,762 lb

2012 Civic Si coupe curb weight: 2,877 lb (+115 lb)
2012 Civic Si coupe w/navi curb weight: 2,897 lb(+135 lb)
2013 Civic Si coupe curb weight: 2,943 lb (+181 lb)
2013 Civic Si coupe w/navi curb weight: 2,966 lb (+204 lb)
2012 Civic Si sedan curb weight: 2,895 lb (+133 lb)
2012 Civic Si sedan w/navi curb weight: 2,971 lb (+209 lb)
2013 Civic Si sedan curb weight: 2,967 lb (+205 lb)
2013 Civic Si sedan w/navi curb weight: 2,992 lb (+230 lb)

Estimated peak wheel horse power and wheel torque:

BRZ: 200 bhp (~166 whp*) / 151 lb-ft (~123 lb-ft @ wheels)
Si: 201 bhp(~171 whp*) / 170 lb-ft (~143 lb-ft @ wheels)

*Estimates based on whp to bhp guestimator [sic]: Wheel Horsepower to Crankshaft Horsepower Guestimator

Peak wheel power to weight ratios:

1 short ton = 2000 lb

2013 BRZ: 120.2 whp/ton

2012 Civic Si coupe: 118.9 whp/ton (-1.3 whp/ton)
2012 Civic Si coupe w/navi: 118.1 whp/ton(-2.1 whp/ton)
2013 Civic Si coupe: 116.2 whp/ton (-4.0 whp/ton)
2013 Civic Si coupe w/navi: 115.3 whp/ton (-4.9 whp/ton)
2012 Civic Si sedan: 118.1 whp/ton (-2.1 whp/ton)
2012 Civic Si sedan w/navi: 115.1 whp/ton (-5.1 whp/ton)
2013 Civic Si sedan: 115.3 whp/ton (-4.9 whp/ton)
2013 Civic Si sedan w/navi: 114.3 whp/ton (-5.9 whp/ton)

Peak wheel torque to weight ratios:

2013 BRZ: 89.1 lb-ft/ton

2012 Civic Si coupe: 99.4 lb-ft/ton (+10.3 lb-ft/ton)
2012 Civic Si coupe w/navi: 98.7 lb-ft/ton (+9.7 lb-ft/ton)
2013 Civic Si coupe: 97.2 lb-ft/ton (+8.1 lb-ft/ton)
2013 Civic Si coupe w/navi: 96.4 lb-ft/ton (+7.4 lb-ft/ton)
2012 Civic Si sedan: 98.8 lb-ft/ton (+9.7 lb-ft/ton)
2012 Civic Si sedan w/navi: 96.3 lb-ft/ton (+7.2 lb-ft/ton)
2013 Civic Si sedan: 96.4 lb-ft/ton (+7.3 lb-ft/ton)
2013 Civic Si sedan w/navi: 95.6 lb-ft/ton (+6.5 lb-ft/ton)

 

[Red13Si]

If only peak power told the whole story... Actually, if only NUMBERS could tell the whole story.

But thank you for the numbers man.


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[MugenSi]

Did some number crunching...

Claimed curb weights:

2013 BRZ curb weight: 2,762 lb

2012 Civic Si coupe curb weight: 2,877 lb (+115 lb)
2012 Civic Si coupe w/navi curb weight: 2,897 lb(+135 lb)
2013 Civic Si coupe curb weight: 2,943 lb (+181 lb)
2013 Civic Si coupe w/navi curb weight: 2,966 lb (+204 lb)
2012+ Civic Si sedan curb weight: 2,967 lb (+205 lb)
2012+ Civic Si sedan w/navi curb weight: 2,992 lb (+230 lb)

Estimated peak wheel horse power and wheel torque:

BRZ: 200 bhp (~166 whp*) / 151 lb-ft (~123 lb-ft @ wheels)
Si: 201 bhp(~171 whp*) / 170 lb-ft (~143 lb-ft @ wheels)

*Estimates based on whp to bhp guestimator [sic]: Wheel Horsepower to Crankshaft Horsepower Guestimator

Peak wheel power to weight ratios:

1 short ton = 2000 lb

2013 BRZ: 120.2 whp/ton

2012 Civic Si coupe: 118.9 whp/ton (-1.3 whp/ton)
2012 Civic Si coupe w/navi: 118.1 whp/ton(-2.1 whp/ton)
2013 Civic Si coupe: 116.2 whp/ton (-4.0 whp/ton)
2013 Civic Si coupe w/navi: 115.3 whp/ton (-4.9 whp/ton)
2012+ Civic Si sedan: 115.3 whp/ton (-4.9 whp/ton)
2012+ Civic Si sedan w/navi: 114.3 whp/ton (-5.9 whp/ton)

Peak wheel torque to weight ratios:

2013 BRZ: 89.1 lb-ft/ton

2012 Civic Si coupe: 99.4 lb-ft/ton (+10.3 lb-ft/ton)
2012 Civic Si coupe w/navi: 98.7 lb-ft/ton (+9.7 lb-ft/ton)
2013 Civic Si coupe: 97.2 lb-ft/ton (+8.1 lb-ft/ton)
2013 Civic Si coupe w/navi: 96.4 lb-ft/ton (+7.4 lb-ft/ton)
2012+ Civic Si sedan: 96.4 lb-ft/ton (+7.3 lb-ft/ton)
2012+ Civic Si sedan w/navi: 95.6 lb-ft/ton (+6.5 lb-ft/ton)

2012 Si sedan curb weight is actually 2895 directly from Hondas website.

 

[akane]

MugenSi,

I took the curb weight off emunds.com which listed the same weight for the '12 and '13 sedans. I'll update the post.

I'm quite dismayed that the car gets heavier each year. The '14 models surpass the 3000 lb mark.

 

[Zero to 36]

When I bought my si I was actually going to trade my tc2 for the FRS but after driving both cars(FRS to si) I felt the si had more power and better response so it was no question with me

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[lfreday39x]

Glad I got the 2012 coupe, lightest of the bunch. Now slap on some Enkei 18x7.5 rpf01 plus 215/40r18 tires and claim even more loss power .

Did some number crunching...

Claimed curb weights:

2013 BRZ curb weight: 2,762 lb

2012 Civic Si coupe curb weight: 2,877 lb (+115 lb)
2012 Civic Si coupe w/navi curb weight: 2,897 lb(+135 lb)
2013 Civic Si coupe curb weight: 2,943 lb (+181 lb)
2013 Civic Si coupe w/navi curb weight: 2,966 lb (+204 lb)
2012 Civic Si sedan curb weight: 2,895 lb (+133 lb)
2012 Civic Si sedan w/navi curb weight: 2,971 lb (+209 lb)
2013 Civic Si sedan curb weight: 2,967 lb (+205 lb)
2013 Civic Si sedan w/navi curb weight: 2,992 lb (+230 lb)

Estimated peak wheel horse power and wheel torque:

BRZ: 200 bhp (~166 whp*) / 151 lb-ft (~123 lb-ft @ wheels)
Si: 201 bhp(~171 whp*) / 170 lb-ft (~143 lb-ft @ wheels)

*Estimates based on whp to bhp guestimator [sic]: Wheel Horsepower to Crankshaft Horsepower Guestimator

Peak wheel power to weight ratios:

1 short ton = 2000 lb

2013 BRZ: 120.2 whp/ton

2012 Civic Si coupe: 118.9 whp/ton (-1.3 whp/ton)
2012 Civic Si coupe w/navi: 118.1 whp/ton(-2.1 whp/ton)
2013 Civic Si coupe: 116.2 whp/ton (-4.0 whp/ton)
2013 Civic Si coupe w/navi: 115.3 whp/ton (-4.9 whp/ton)
2012 Civic Si sedan: 118.1 whp/ton (-2.1 whp/ton)
2012 Civic Si sedan w/navi: 115.1 whp/ton (-5.1 whp/ton)
2013 Civic Si sedan: 115.3 whp/ton (-4.9 whp/ton)
2013 Civic Si sedan w/navi: 114.3 whp/ton (-5.9 whp/ton)

Peak wheel torque to weight ratios:

2013 BRZ: 89.1 lb-ft/ton

2012 Civic Si coupe: 99.4 lb-ft/ton (+10.3 lb-ft/ton)
2012 Civic Si coupe w/navi: 98.7 lb-ft/ton (+9.7 lb-ft/ton)
2013 Civic Si coupe: 97.2 lb-ft/ton (+8.1 lb-ft/ton)
2013 Civic Si coupe w/navi: 96.4 lb-ft/ton (+7.4 lb-ft/ton)
2012 Civic Si sedan: 98.8 lb-ft/ton (+9.7 lb-ft/ton)
2012 Civic Si sedan w/navi: 96.3 lb-ft/ton (+7.2 lb-ft/ton)
2013 Civic Si sedan: 96.4 lb-ft/ton (+7.3 lb-ft/ton)
2013 Civic Si sedan w/navi: 95.6 lb-ft/ton (+6.5 lb-ft/ton)

 

[lfreday39x]

I think that's why Honda was forced to retune its engine for 4 more hp to overcome the gained weight.

MugenSi,

I took the curb weight off emunds.com which listed the same weight for the '12 and '13 sedans. I'll update the post.

I'm quite dismayed that the car gets heavier each year. The '14 models surpass the 3000 lb mark.

 

[Red13Si]

When I bought my si I was actually going to trade my tc2 for the FRS but after driving both cars(FRS to si) I felt the si had more power and better response so it was no question with me

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I had a tC2 also. Man that car drives like a pig lol



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[FantaSI]

I eat FRS's like I eat a snack. They don't even satisfy my hunger lol.


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[Red13Si]

I eat FRS's like I eat a snack. They don't even satisfy my hunger lol.


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You're in a whole 'nother league though lol


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[FantaSI]

You're in a whole 'nother league though lol


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I actually wanted to run one that was supposedly supercharged but he didn't want to because my friend/mechanic scared him off by saying he will run you on low boost lol.


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